how do we know what the nsa is up to, we didn't fine out from the "washington post" or the "new york times." right? >> uh-huh. >> bill: so i don't blame him for not trusting the american media, and i think that it gets back to the question about -- and i have been in this debate with -- with many friends, well if he really thought was something was wrong with what nsa was doing, then he should not have blown the whistle, he just should have gone through the proper channels. yeah. now, imagine what reception snowden would have got if he had gone to the nsa leadership, or if he had gone to the cia or the white house. >> thank you very much, we appreciate your concern. here have a seat in the back of this unmarked car. >> bill: yeah. or imagine if he had gone to a lot of the main stream media. they wouldn't have touched it. so i got to tell you, when i see my colleagues in the media not doing their job -- and too often it is because -- just as he said they are afraid of being painted as anti-american as unpatriotic, or as anti-the current president of the united states, and so they just